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[Ace Vaun Winhigher]

I do not hate you, I am just flabbergasted by the udder lack of intellect in your comments thus far in this thread. There is a place for joking around, like in one of my more silly posts, but I expect an honest and real critique and reply when I get serious in my subject matter. Your comments were a little out of context and annoying, not to mention they breed others to join in, as well as some who would twist such comedy into an insult to the poet. "Treat others as you would like yourself treated."

[constantine]

i'm sorry. sometimes i offer real advice and honest critique. i was just trying to pal around with you to show that there were no hard feelings from my end. i will offer you a more considered response in the future.

[emel]

I won't. "Treat others as you would like yourself treated."  Not as long as you're so selfish that you expect others to give your work serious consideration while giving nothing in return because you don't want to be "tainted" by reading and commenting on their work.  What a joke!

[Ace Vaun Winhigher]

Bitter much? just cause I don't read others work because the intense process of reviewing it to critique, does have influence on how I do things my way in my own writing, DOES NOT give you the right to shit all over my work just cause I am a poetic loner. The only joke here is that your so blind to my work just cause of a precondition that you do not like the way I work. You need to seriously consider the fact that people write different then you, and you should treat that with respect cause anything other then that is bad karma.

[emel]

I said nothing about the words you assemble and post here nor will I.  I was talking about greed and how this is a community of give and take and all you do is take.  You want to talk about karma, please tell me all about it  Mr. "treat other people how you want to be treated"...

[CoolJude]

You go Scott, the man! Relationships, (and I think that is what is at the heart of this conversation) are a matter of give and take and with that trust is developed. I am wary of people here posting but not reading and critiquing. To me it smacks of an arrogance that is not pretty.
Humility can build an empire.

[Light Haven]

Ace I feel you are not letting the "real you" come through in your poetry. you are holding back in my opinion. maybe you could get into a situation where you are given prompts, free writing,  and write with abandon whether you publish what you write or not. i think it would be a good exercise.
i have a suspicion that some of the criticisms of your poems is that many of the poets here may feel that they are relating how they feel as clearly as they can and with a certain abandonment. your poems seem to me to have some kind of reluctance. In my opinion underneath these belligerent exchanges are the "real" poems not being written. why not write all out about anger, rejection, being misunderstood and unappreciated.

[Ace Vaun Winhigher]

I thank you for your real review, Finally somebody has spotted it, the chink in my armor. You know I never thought about how constricting form is on expression, but that said, I'm not writing to satisfy my own feelings, but the feelings of the reader. To tell the truth, through the years I've been writing I've started writing as a therepy to my readers, mainly my friends. If they see the words and relate to them they have a better chance to live happily, after all that is why I write dark and depressing, not only to release my own inner demons, but those that read it and realize there own. In the beginning I was all about free expression, after all I was going through the worst in life at the time. But nowadays there is no need to get out those feelings, yet I still write for the sake of those still where I was. The best way in my opinion to turn everyone onto poetry, even those that have no clue what it is, is through catchy rhymes and forms. Thus my poetry is not "Me" expressing, but rather a blueprint for "Others" to express.

[captdavis]

delusions of grandeur.

[Light Haven]

disagree with you capt. he has a moral purpose. how many of us have written a poem and thought, maybe this will help someone. it's my poem but someone may connect with this and that may be a good thing. that's not the reason we wrote it but i'll bet a lot of people sometimes have thoughts like that. your latest posting of poetry capt hit the nail on the head for me and said something i haven't written yet but said what i would have wanted to say. there are plenty of poets who write their poetry or books as a way of helping others. look at some of alan watt's books. it may be a delusion of grandeur on ace's part but i don't see the attempt as bad. on the other hand as art goes, here we go, i prefer your crystal clear look at things as poetry than poetry that doesn't have the hit to me. for what it is worth ace it might be that by writing about how you felt about not being appropriately or correctly identified as to your purpose would probably be more welcome here. look at capt's last poem, right or wrong, he lays it on the line and you might consider writing poetry in the same spirit as your last remarks posted.

[Light Haven]

one more thought. is poetry the most honest expression of yourself and your take on things or is it something we write to make other people feel better. almost certainly can be both but doubt whether many people here are posting poems here to make other people feel better. you might think about writing a poem that tries to express in a poem your last post.

[captdavis]

this has nothing to do with expression. I commented on how this kid just wants to pick fights with everyone and finds these grandiose reasonings behind them. I just think he's a dick. I don't judge expression.

[Ace Vaun Winhigher]

You know Capt, your falling into your own trap, calling me a kid, Cause isn't it immature to paint someone as a name like "dick" without truly looking into what they are saying? You say it's grandiose how I respond, what's wrong with that coming from an intellectual background in a field that is akin to thought, poetry is a collection of thought, so in essence I am just playing the part as an intellectual poet. Makes me wonder where your background is if you think what I've been saying is grandiose, when in reality it's just assessing and replying in honesty.